Shifter / clutch problems

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Gene-C
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Post by Gene-C »

Allright here are the pictures. The bearing still looks good, cant say to much for the other stuff.
Gene-C
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Post by Gene-C »

Yikes!! Well stuff happens. I would go with a stock setup if you like trouble free. i have a stage one set up. It works great . I also have it in my old bug and it brakes cables and the hook that holds cables. that is why i want with hydraulic clutch in the buggy. you can go with a stock pressure plate and a new 3 puk that was made to bite like a stage one set up. I saw it in an add. claimed to hook up like a stage one with less work on your leg. sounds good to me.
fubar
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Post by fubar »

Did all that grease come from the throwout bearing? Might be a good time for a new oil seal and pilot bushing while it is apart????
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Post by newmanx59 »

It looks like your pressure plate failure may have a been caused by a mismatched pressure plate and throwout bearing. You are using an early style throwout bearing and fork along with a late model pressure plate. The pressure plate for your throwout bearing will have a ring on the pressure plate ears for the throwout bearing to contact when the throwout bearing is engaged. The late model pressure plate has no ring on the ears because the throwout bearing is guided to the pressure plate ears on a guide tube. The pictures I posted are of a diaphram style pressure plate, your pressure plate was a 3 finger design but I think you will get the idea. By the way 3 finger and diaphram pressure plates do interchange as long as you use the correct style (ring or no ring). Pressure Plate for 1971 and newer. Image Pressure Plate for 1970 and older. Image
Gene-C
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Post by Gene-C »

I had some grease on the edge of the flywheel for the starter. I thought I remember reading that someware sometime. It sure looked like too much when it was taken apart. I dont understand how a guide tube would attach to the assembly. I think I will just get the diaphram type with the ring.
newmanx59
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Post by newmanx59 »

The earlier model transaxle case didn't have the provisions to attach the guide tube.
Gene-C
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Post by Gene-C »

I think '68 production transaxles starting using the guide tube/sleeve. I have 2 '68's that were made within 10,000 units of each other. One has it, the other doesn't, but I'm thinking one has had it's transaxle swapped with a '67 unit since it still has the backup light switch. Here's a website that shows a later style trans with the sleeve in place. http://www.vw-resource.com/images/040_tranny_ready.jpg The release bearing slides back and forth along the sleeve. That style takes a different type of pressure plate and release bearing. Since I didn't see the sleeve on Brice's car, I'll have to assume he has a pre '68 transaxle.
Gene-C
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Post by Gene-C »

I've never run the dates on the transmission, but I have the back up light switch on the front nose cone.
newmanx59
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Post by newmanx59 »

Before you install the new pressure plate, be sure to back off the clutch adjustment. Start over with the adjustment once the engine is installed. If the clutch is "over-adjusted" you can depress the pressure plate beyond center and damage the pressure plate.
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Post by Gene-C »

Did you recently replace the clutch? If so its is possible the the incorrect pressure plate was used, The newer style has a ring around where the throw out bearing engages the plate, If you used the older style in a newer trans-axle it will now allow suffecient clearance for reverse.
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Post by newmanx59 »

[QUOTE="newmanx59"]It looks like your pressure plate failure may have a been caused by a mismatched pressure plate and throwout bearing. You are using an early style throwout bearing and fork along with a late model pressure plate. The pressure plate for your throwout bearing will have a ring on the pressure plate ears for the throwout bearing to contact when the throwout bearing is engaged. The late model pressure plate has no ring on the ears because the throwout bearing is guided to the pressure plate ears on a guide tube. The pictures I posted are of a diaphram style pressure plate, your pressure plate was a 3 finger design but I think you will get the idea. By the way 3 finger and diaphram pressure plates do interchange as long as you use the correct style (ring or no ring). Pressure Plate for 1971 and newer. Image Pressure Plate for 1970 and older. Image[/QUOTE] That was already covered... :D
Gene-C
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Post by Gene-C »

Oops I See (said The Blind Man)
joemama
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Post by joemama »

Just wanted to let you know my experience. 3 plus years with a stock diafram style pressure plate and stock disk. Mild 1914. About 12 days a year at Glamis running Desert Traks (they have small maybe 3/4" paddles), climb pretty much anything, have to slip the clutch a lot, never a problem. I think a stock clutch is a good choice.
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